Posts by Fred E Hathaway

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

To Who are you?

It certainly is 2007, if we use the Gregorian or Julian calendars. If we use a Jewish or Muslim calendar then it's not 2007.

"Offshoot of the Millerites", "the only thing they can claim...", "self-fullfilling prophecies", "self-appointed" are your own characterizations, not mine.

Perhaps the vacuum-cleaner salesmen of 80 years ago just went door to door because it was still a less secular culture then.

We'll have to wait for the next WT publication for "new light". It's either that or wait for the "new scrolls" to come. You'll have to work with something till then, and so will I. For me, it's the Bible and the current WT info. I'm fine with that, after all.

107

I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

I would take what they say and filter it with my knowledge and understanding of the Bible and its principles. Hopefully I would apply it accordingly. I'm working on that part.

107

I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

There needs to be a modern ruling for modern phenomena. This allows Ephesians 4:4-6 to remain true. See my previous post for the issue of my understanding of the functionally-appropriate term "Governing Body".

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

Just as the GB of the 1st century CE gave the ruling found in Acts, chapter 15, so the GB of the 20th gave the ruling that applies now. And in case you have a problem with the term Governing Body, the Greek term generally translated as "taking the lead" (such as at Hebrews 13:17) may also be translated as "governing", as the NWT Reference Bible bears out (in using the noun-form Governors in its footnote).

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A Morning on Mulberry Street (pro-JW cartoon)

by indoubt in

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not sure if this was previously posted here... it was sent to me by a regular jw and this person thought it was the best thing ever.... so sad... .

http://mediaphil.free.fr/fun/jw/3dpreach/flvplayer.html.

(since i don't post often here): my current status is that i am "inactive" and happier than ever... i have not been to a meeting in 3+ years..

Fred E Hathaway

I served as a Regular Auxiliary Pioneer and each vignette on A Morning on Mulberry Street was realistic. I stand by all of what I've said here, without having to look at some "more accurate" representation. Many are just too busy with their day-to-day lives to even notice when JWs come by, whether at home or at their work place or wherever else. I heard of them every once in a while when I was in school and apparently didn't pay much attention, from what I can remember.

There is more than one way to try to hide from Jehovah. Apostates try with specious reasoning and disrespect. The attitudes found at 2 Timothy 3:1-5 cause many to feel no need for any warning, or any discussion about how to cure the ills found in the world around us. As if they themselves have nothing to change, or as if anyone coming to their door without an appointment has nothing of interest to say to them. To these negative attitudes may be added being presumptuous/closed-minded/arrogant, if I do say so myself. Jehovah knows them only from a distance, the Scriptures say.

107

I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

to jayhawk1 and Finally-Free: Those at the table that night were apparently all chosen to be a part of the New Covenant, so they all ate and drank the emblems after the last legitimate Passover was commemorated. Now that the great crowd is in place, the ruling is that to partake indicates a Heavenly Hope, whereas an Earthly Hope is indicated by being there and just passing the emblems. Even partaking isn't always counted as such, I'm told. My conscience isn't bothered, now that I've switched after investigating the facts, which had been ignored/withheld in the previous Bible study group I was raised with.

to Junction-Guy: The judicial action was taken to protect the spiritual cleanness of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, and to correct some errors. I didn't want to be a hider or a liar. I still don't.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

If she's truly one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't think she'd have you as a boyfriend because of the difference of religion.

The term Lucifer (used in KJV, Douay) is derived from the Latin Vulgate. A more correct translation is "the shining one", found at Isaiah 14:4, 12, and actually is a descriptive designation applied to the "king of Babylon." It is true that the "king of Babylon" (the dynasty of Bablyonian kings) reflected the attitude of Satan (the god of this system of things) by desiring to make the kings of the line of David mere vassals and then finally to dethrone them. Satan is correctly referred to as Devil, the original serpent, and the great dragon. (Rev. 12:9)

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

Jehovah's armies are strictly angelic and spiritual.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

All the hits I could find on google.uk suggest that this is strictly an apostate claim, with no provable substance.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

to OUTLAW:

You'd need to back your claims legally.